Ajayi Oluwapelumi
In 2012, majority of the 707 foreign prisoners in Nsawam, Ghana, were Nigerians, and same appears to be the situation in other prisons in the country. Over the years, their population has grown, with Nigerians still topping the list. Is Nigeria High Commission planning to help Ghana Prison Service in terms of infrastructure and funds for feeding?
Firstly, I agree with you that majority of them are Nigerians, but should majority of them be Nigerians? We shouldn't even be saying such things with pride because it is a national disgrace. Every country we go, they are filled with Nigerians, why? It is unfortunate. But I believe if you are ready to take the risk, then you must be ready to dance to the music.
Now to the question of helping with infrastructure and other things; Nigeria High Commission doesn't have the kind of money
What is the true state of Nigerian prisoners in Ghana? Secondly, is the prisoner exchange plan between Ghana and Nigeria still feasible?
As regard the issue of the report, I want to believe it was written by one of the prisoners and smuggled to someone to publish for them, because the report is not the reality on ground. First of all, I will like to assure you that no Nigerian has died in the prison. Secondly, I want to assure you that I visited them; spoke to them and I always sympathise with them. But the truth is, when you do illegal things in a foreign land, you should know you will be jailed in that foreign land, so why commit such a crime?
Moreover, if they succeeded in making money from
I remember a Nigerian was sentenced to death, I personally spoke to the Chief Justice and I wrote a letter to plead for his life, and he has not been executed, and I don't think he'll be executed. About the long sentences they are giving them, which I was told by the Chief Justice of Ghana Mrs Theodore Woods, they assured me that they will look into it, but they told me those sentences are to discourage other Nigerians from thinking Ghana is a safe haven for criminals. It is logical to make a U-turn if you know that you are likely to get a prison sentence of 50-130 years if caught committing crime as a Nigerian or a foreigner. But that has not deter them, as Nigerians fill up the Ghana prisons on a daily basis, and after being caught, they want us (Nigeria High Commission) to come and get them out.
Also, any Nigerian prisoner released comeS to the Nigeria High Commission (NHC), we usually give them GHC100 ($40) which will take them to Lagos. Since I resumed as the High Commissioner, I have been doing that religiously. Sometimes when they come, I will ask them to be brought in front of me, and I ask them what led them into it, and afterwards, I counsel them. The question remains that when you know there is a reward for your crime if caught, why do it?
On the question of prisoners exchange, I have spoken with the parliamentary Committee on Foreign Affairs and I mentioned the issue; I was made to understand that Nigerian prisons are too full, and that the prisoner exchange document has not been concluded yet. If you check countries around the world, you will find Nigerian prisoners there, and it baffles me. I think we need a national orientation because this is becoming a huge embarrassment to the Federal Republic of Nigeria, and this is as a result of the fact that they want to get rich quick. It's not a crime to be rich
Is it not out of place for Ghanaian government, through her policy, to give the nationality of a particular country like Nigeria excessive jail sentence, claiming it is an instrument of deterrent?
I agree that policy is not right. Like I told you, I sat down with Chief Justice Theodore Woods, and he promised to work on it. I don't think I can force authorities in Ghana to change its justice system. So also, Ghana High Commission in Nigeria cannot force Nigerian government to change our justice system. In some countries, the law prescribed that you will be beheaded if you commit certain crime, and there's little or nothing diplomacy can do to make them change their mind. I think to go to prison for a long time is better than being beheaded. But the best solution is to walk away from criminality.
How will you describe the loss of Nigeria's former minister of Foreign Affairs, Ambassador Olugbenga Ashiru and your relationship with him?
Ambassador Olugbenga Ayodeji Ashiru was my boss at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs for many years. We were in the same department in 1982. He was my brother, mentor and a family friend. He and his wife, Dr Kehinde Ashiru and their children are like my family.
When I was posted to Ghana, he called me and told me "Seyi, I know you're a smart man and I want you to go there and put in your best. Even when he left as a Minister, he invited me and my wife to his house to have lunch together, that was the last time I saw him.
It is very devastating to hear the news of his death. He had worked very hard for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Federal Republic of Nigeria. The only consolation we have is that he left a mark. He accomplished a lot, and I believe he died a fulfilled man. He was a very, very good man. I usually call him brother Gbenga.
Sir, you mentioned making provision of GHc 100 for Nigerian prisoners to take them to Nigeria, but it cost almost twice for a Nigerian without a passport to travel to Nigeria, and little less for those with a passport. Moreover, this money
If that's the case, we will look into that, but whatever we give them is meant to get them into Nigerian territory. Once you get to Lagos, you should be able to find your way from there. This money
Is Nigeria High Commission ensuring that each of these Nigerian prisoners is given an opportunity to access a lawyer to speak for them in court? Because report has it that the opposite is the case, and neither are they allowed to speak to their families.
That they are not allowed to hire a lawyer is not true. Also, I can tell you that some of the prisoners' family members do come to visit them, and that was as a result of the fact that they were allowed to communicate with them in the first place. Also, some of them wouldn't want their family members to even visit them because of the shame, while some of them won't even want their families to know they are in prison in Ghana. There's a case of a particular man I met at the prison when I visited. He came from the United States, and quickly wanted to do his drug runs, and he was caught. He doesn't want his family in America to know he's in prison in Ghana. These prisoners lie a lot; they will tell you all sorts of things just for you to pity them. But the question I keep asking is: if you know that when you're caught, you won't be treated with kid gloves, why did you commit the crime?
These hard drugs they are peddling destroy lives; the funny thing is they don't use it themselves because they know the implication on their health, and you also know the law frowns at it, yet you keep peddling it. I sympathise with them, but they should stop talking as if someone put them in prison deliberately; blaming the system, because they cause the trouble for the system themselves.
As a career diplomat, what are the things you learn from him?
I learnt a lot from him, such as the passion for the job. Secondly, he was very shrewd in relation to his work and personal life. Thirdly, he was brilliant, and he thought me how to write report, how to navigate diplomatically and economically at the desk. When he came to the NHC in Ghana, he was very proud of what we have done from the physical outlook of the embassy to dispatches we wrote. He kept sending me letter of acknowledgements personally signed.
The welfare of his officers was his priority. He got more career diplomat to serve as Amdassador than any other Foreign Affairs Minister. Policy-wise, he was fearless, courageous and he tried his best to position Nigeria in international organisations.
The former Minister died in South Africa hospital, a country he battled ruthlessly when there was a diplomatic row between the two nations. Is that not an embarrassment to Nigeria as a nation?
I don't think so. We have other foreigners coming to Nigeria for medicals. There may be cases where we may not have the equipment or expertise and patients have to travel, but that doesn't mean some other countries don't travel to other countries because of that as well. I believe the administration of President Goodluck Jonathan is doing a lot to ensure that it is erased in our history through the transformation agenda.
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